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Re: Disappointment

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:11 pm
by Wing Saber
now, i noticed you pointed out flaws from characters in Armada, so i will do the same for Animated.
first, the autobots:
Blurr- i cant understand a word he's saying!
bulkhead and bumblebee- annoying!
jetfire and jetstorm-they just come out of nowhere
longarm prime- do they give the title prime to anybody now?
optimus prime- hes supposed to be leader... not some junk bot
sentinal prime- more annoying than bumblebee and bulkhead put together
wreck gar- dies off in his first episode
decepticons:
the constructicons- obsessed with oil.
megatron- for the first half of the show hes just a head
soundwave- hes a toy!
starscream- they ruined that name in this show!
wasp- randomley develops a speech problem
humans: i hate them all, and heres why:
The villians- all stupid
captain fanzone- ok we get it! you hate machines!
isaac sumdac- you brought back megatron, then built a spacebridge for him!
sari sumdac- annoying at first, but becomes decent
ones that are actually cool:
The Dinobots
Jazz
Omega Supreme
prowl
ultra magnus
laserbeak
lockdown
shockwave
meltdown

Re: Disappointment

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:14 pm
by Wing Saber
oh, and yeah beast wars is awesome. ive only seen the first like 6 or 7 episodes ( and the one with starscream ) but from what ive seen its pretty awesome

Re: Disappointment

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:29 pm
by Sabrblade
Wing Saber wrote:now, i noticed you pointed out flaws from characters in Armada, so i will do the same for Animated.
first, the autobots:
Blurr- i cant understand a word he's saying!
That's the point! He's supposed to be like G1 Blurr, and he's even voiced by the same guy! :D
Wing Saber wrote:bulkhead and bumblebee- annoying!
At first, yes. But as the series progresses, Bumblebee matures and Bulkhead turns out to be both artistic and a genius.
Wing Saber wrote:jetfire and jetstorm-they just come out of nowhere
No they don't. Their first appearance was in the comic that explains their origin, and this comic came packaged with their toys (which were released in stores long before season three was aired). So, anyone and everyone who bought their toys were easily introduced to and familiar with Jetfire and Jetstorm. And their toys may quite possibly be the best Autobot figures of the whole toyline!
Wing Saber wrote:longarm prime- do they give the title prime to anybody now?
It's not the same as it was before. In this series, the rank of "Prime" is lower than the Supreme Commander's rank of "Magnus". Longarm (or should I say Shockwave) climbed through the Autobot ranks in order to become the head of Cybertron Intelligence and earn the rank of Prime. Though, he may have murdered Highbrow in order reach this Intel position.
Wing Saber wrote:optimus prime- hes supposed to be leader... not some junk bot
Says who? Where does it say that a character named "optimus Prime" absolutely has to be the leader of all the Autobots?
Wing Saber wrote:sentinal prime- more annoying than bumblebee and bulkhead put together
He's supposed to be a jerk. That was the intention of his character.
Wing Saber wrote:wreck gar- dies off in his first episode
Does not! He returned in "Human Error, Part II".
Wing Saber wrote:decepticons:
the constructicons- obsessed with oil.
That's part of the humor with them. They're supposed to be a spoof of the stereotypical labor worker.
Wing Saber wrote:megatron- for the first half of the show hes just a head
And yet he still masterminded most of the plots. Why, episode 4 showed just how dangerous he could be even as a head. Besides, it's not like a Megatron being just a head is anything new (*cough* the Grand Mal*cough*).
Wing Saber wrote:soundwave- hes a toy!
And an army. And a hynotist. And a manipulator. And the god of a vitual world. And sounds almost identical to G1 Soundwave. And he's even got Laserbeak and Ratbat as guitars! That's awesome!
Wing Saber wrote:Starscream- they ruined that name in this show!
Take that back! This Starscream is the closest one to G1 Starscream of them all. Unlike all the other Starscreams, who didn't do much to ursurp Megatron till after a while, he went ahead to do so at the beginning. And he's come to closest to ever killing Megatron than any of the other Starscreams.
Wing Saber wrote:wasp- randomley develops a speech problem
How is being mentally broken down after years of psycological torture while locked up inside the stockade "random"?
Wing Saber wrote:humans: i hate them all, and heres why:
The villians- all stupid
I can agree with this except for Meltdown. He was frightening and a very deadly adversary. How many TF enemies can you think of that can kill simply through casual contact?
Wing Saber wrote:captain fanzone- ok we get it! you hate machines!
And he was hilarious. Especially the episode where he went to Cybertron. That must've been like what Hell would be for him. :lol:
Wing Saber wrote:isaac sumdac- you brought back megatron, then built a spacebridge for him!
For the first he was being deceived and had his guilt played upon by Megatron, and for the second his life was being threatened and was forced against his will to help build the Space Bridge.
Wing Saber wrote:sari sumdac- annoying at first, but becomes decent
I wanted more of her when she got older. But she somewhat vanished for a while. :|
Wing Saber wrote:ones that are actually cool:
The Dinobots
Jazz
Omega Supreme
prowl
ultra magnus
laserbeak
lockdown
shockwave
meltdown
YES!!!

Re: Disappointment

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:01 pm
by Wing Saber
ok, you got me on most of those. i agree with you now on- Blurr, longarm, megatron, soundwave, bulkhead, wasp, captain fanzone, isaac sumdac, and sari, but, i still thought bumblebee was annoying at the end, i never bought many animated toys ( i didnt really like the looks of characters in this show, except for a few, like shockwave ), so i didnt know about jetfire and jetstorm, and optimus prime is just meant to be leader, i still hate sentinal prime, i forgot about wreck gar's return, my bad,as for the constructicons, i know, i just thought it was kind of annoying, as for starscream, it depends on what type of starscream u like the best. your kinda winning me over from my hatred of tf: animated, though i still like Armada better. i thought the plotline of animated was like a cartoon version of the movie, at least for the decepticons, they come to earth to find megatron and the allspark? just like the movie!

Re: Disappointment

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:18 pm
by Sabrblade
Wing Saber wrote:and optimus prime is just meant to be leader,
Again, what law states that Optimus Prime has to be the leader? There have been many other Autobot/Maximal leaders that were not Optimus Prime. Such as Ultra Magnus, Rodimus Prime, Fortress Maximus, Ginrai, Star Saber, Dai Atlas, Optimus Primal, Lio Convoy/Leo Prime, Big Convoy, Great Convoy, and even Grimlock! :roll:

Wing Saber wrote:i thought the plotline of animated was like a cartoon version of the movie, at least for the decepticons, they come to earth to find megatron and the allspark? just like the movie!
That's really only for the first season and was done so younger audiences that had seen the first Bay movie could relate to the story better. The second season was about building the Space Bridge and find the AllSpark fragmnets all InuYasha style. The third season was about hunting down the remaining Decepticons and fighting to control Omega Supreme. In my opinion, Animated was even better than the two live action movies.

Re: Disappointment

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:26 pm
by Wing Saber
Again, what law states that Optimus Prime has to be the leader? There have been many other Autobot/Maximal leaders that were not Optimus Prime. Such as Ultra Magnus, Rodimus Prime, Fortress Maximus, Ginrai, Star Saber, Dai Atlas, Optimus Primal, Lio Convoy/Leo Prime, Big Convoy, Great Convoy, and even Grimlock!

see, it's not Optimus not being leader that bugs me, it's Optimus being a junk bot! most of those times that you listed he was either dead or didnt exist.

Re: Disappointment

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:46 pm
by Sabrblade
Wing Saber wrote:
Again, what law states that Optimus Prime has to be the leader? There have been many other Autobot/Maximal leaders that were not Optimus Prime. Such as Ultra Magnus, Rodimus Prime, Fortress Maximus, Ginrai, Star Saber, Dai Atlas, Optimus Primal, Lio Convoy/Leo Prime, Big Convoy, Great Convoy, and even Grimlock!

see, it's not Optimus not being leader that bugs me, it's Optimus being a junk bot! most of those times that you listed he was either dead or didnt exist.
He's not a "junk bot". He's a technician crew captain. Blame Sentinel for not backing him up when he took full responsibility for what happened on Archa Seven and got kicked out of the Autobot Academy.

Besides, how often do we ever get to see the character of Optimus Prime during the days before he became a leader, showing us how he grew and developed into becoming the hero that we all know him to be? In most other series, he's got no faults, no flaws, no development, and remains as a very static character who starts off as a "perfect supreme commander" near the series beginning and ends up being a "perfect supreme commander" at the series conclusion.

Animated gives us the chance to see him struggle and grow with the role of heroism being thrust upon him. The only other leaders who were placed in similar situations of having to grow into role of being a good commander (instead of already being them) were G1 Rodimus Prime (though, his being a good leader is debatable), Fortress (kinda, he was already a Headmaster leader, but had to become a good Autobot leader too), Ginrai, Optimus Primal, and Cheetor.

Dai Atlas may also had to have gone through this too, but there was only one episode of Zone and the Story Pages don't go too deep into his character either.

Re: Disappointment

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:54 pm
by Wing Saber
very true.... i guess i didnt look at it that way... or that deep..... :lol:

Re: Disappointment

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:09 am
by DocWho
Wing Saber wrote:Blurr- i cant understand a word he's saying!


That was the point, he's an homage to G1 Blurr.

Wing Saber wrote:bulkhead and bumblebee- annoying!


They're the kid-appeal characters, they're supposed to be a little annoying. But the difference is that they actually went through character development, and were far more likeable than Hot Shot.

Wing Saber wrote:jetfire and jetstorm-they just come out of nowhere


Explained in the comic.

Wing Saber wrote:longarm prime- do they give the title prime to anybody now?


He's the head of the Intel division. Prime is no longer means leader of all the Autobots, just head of a certain division. Optimus is the head of Spacebridge repair, and Sentinel is the head of the Elite Guard.

Wing Saber wrote:optimus prime- hes supposed to be leader... not some junk bot


I know, now he has to go through character development and he's more accessible as a character!

Who wants that?

Wing Saber wrote:sentinal prime- more annoying than bumblebee and bulkhead put together


Again, that was the point. You were supposed to hate him. But at least he was memorable.

Wing Saber wrote:wreck gar- dies off in his first episode


He comes back.

Wing Saber wrote:the constructicons- obsessed with oil.


That's...what? :?:

They're stereotypes of construction workers. I guess a stereotype of construction workers is liking beer.

Wing Saber wrote:megatron- for the first half of the show hes just a head


That was the point, he had to go through a character arc before he got his body back.

Whereas in the Unicron trilogy, it was just "Oh hey, Megatron got a new body!"

Wing Saber wrote:soundwave- hes a toy!


A nod to TF collectors, I'm sure.

Wing Saber wrote:starscream- they ruined that name in this show!


I know! A competent, memorable, interesting Starscream!

Why would anyone want that?!

Wing Saber wrote:wasp- randomley develops a speech problem


That was part of his character arc.

I'm beginning to think you didn't watch all of Animated, because a lot of these problems go away really quickly.

Wing Saber wrote:The villians- all stupid


That's specific.

Like a friend of mine once said; If you don't get Professor Princess, you don't get Animated.

Wing Saber wrote:captain fanzone- ok we get it! you hate machines!


Character arc.

Wing Saber wrote:isaac sumdac- you brought back megatron, then built a spacebridge for him!


So...moving along the plot is considered a logical complaint?

lolwut

Wing Saber wrote:sari sumdac- annoying at first, but becomes decent


Because, you know, the kids from the Unicron Trilogy were SO likeable.

And Sari also went through...guess what? Character development again!

Re: Disappointment

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:37 pm
by Wing Saber
yeah,i know the kids from the unicron trilogy were annoying, and yes i watched most of it. there were only 2 episodes i didnt see, Transwarped parts 1 and 2. and as for starscream, i personally didnt like this one, or even the G1 starscream. I really enjoyed Armada Starscream, but thats really the only starscream ive ever liked. as for megatron, they stretched out the head thing WAY too long. it wouldve been fine if it was only a couple episodes, but they made him like that for half the show.