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Prime Ultra Magnus already seen?

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Re: Prime Ultra Magnus already seen?

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:39 pm

cyberwuss wrote:
ironrod prime wrote:if it was magnus then orion would have made a referance to him kinda like how armada starscream made a referance armada thundercracker


Not necessarily... In this series Ultra Magnus is part of an Autobot Black Ops unit... which means his missions are secret... Also Wheeljack didn't know Optimus very well when we were first introduced to him in this series, especially considering that he was untrusting of him and Bulkhead had to vouch for Optimus. Which leads one to believe that Optimus doesn't personally know all the Autobots in the present... and since his memory was wiped to Orion Pax state, he probably never knew about a Black Ops guy back then when he was really Orion Pax.

EDIT: What I mean is... you have to remember that before he became Prime he was an archivist who didn't get out much. From the possibly related TF: Exodus novel we know that he knew Jazz and Alpha Trion when he was an archivist... and met Megatronus/Megatron towards the end of his time as Orion Pax. Most of the other Autobots and Decepticons though were introduced to him well after he became Prime.
Not that I'm agreeing with Ironrod, but Optimus did know Ultra Magnus prior to getting the Matrix. Magnus led many battles with the Wreckers during the war when Optimus was in charge, and both him, the Wreckers, and Cliffjumper all guarded the entrance to the Well of All Sparks while Optimus and co. went underground to purify the Core.

Though, it is true that Optimus didn't know Wheeljack at all until the present day.
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Re: Prime Ultra Magnus already seen?

Postby Wing Saber » Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:53 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Not that I'm agreeing with Ironrod, but Optimus did know Ultra Magnus prior to getting the Matrix. Magnus led many battles with the Wreckers during the war when Optimus was in charge, and both him, the Wreckers, and Cliffjumper all guarded the entrance to the Well of All Sparks while Optimus and co. went underground to purify the Core.

Though, it is true that Optimus didn't know Wheeljack at all until the present day.

Isn't it apparent that The Matrix took more memories than just until he got the Matrix. If it didn't, he would still know about the Autobots and Decepticons, he would still know that he was leader of the Autobots, he would still know that Megatron was his arch enemy, and he would still know that he was Optimus not Orion.
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Re: Prime Ultra Magnus already seen?

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:17 pm

Wing Saber wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Not that I'm agreeing with Ironrod, but Optimus did know Ultra Magnus prior to getting the Matrix. Magnus led many battles with the Wreckers during the war when Optimus was in charge, and both him, the Wreckers, and Cliffjumper all guarded the entrance to the Well of All Sparks while Optimus and co. went underground to purify the Core.

Though, it is true that Optimus didn't know Wheeljack at all until the present day.

Isn't it apparent that The Matrix took more memories than just until he got the Matrix. If it didn't, he would still know about the Autobots and Decepticons, he would still know that he was leader of the Autobots, he would still know that Megatron was his arch enemy, and he would still know that he was Optimus not Orion.
Agreed.

Since Magnus had different job before leading the Wreckers, I guess Orion might not have known him yet even then.
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Re: Prime Ultra Magnus already seen?

Postby OptimusPhillip » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:07 pm

I think this is just Optimus Prime in his Cybertronian form, I do see a resemblance, though
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Re: Prime Ultra Magnus already seen?

Postby Wing Saber » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:47 pm

OptimusPhillip wrote:I think this is just Optimus Prime in his Cybertronian form, I do see a resemblance, though

All cybertronian forms of this Optimus... none match:

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Re: Prime Ultra Magnus already seen?

Postby Unicron fan » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:28 pm

And idea just sprung to mind; What if that image Orion (Optimus' name of that time in that episode) sees on there is in fact a premonition of Optimus Prime Beast Hunter mold? :)

Let's see....

Yeah, there are some similarites here. Who knows. It could be Ultra Magnus anyway.
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Re: Prime Ultra Magnus already seen?

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:19 pm

Unicron fan wrote:And idea just sprung to mind; What if that image Orion (Optimus' name of that time in that episode) sees on there is in fact a premonition of Optimus Prime Beast Hunter mold? :)

Let's see....

Yeah, there are some similarites here. Who knows. It could be Ultra Magnus anyway.
Well, now that TFWiki has it confirmed, it's Magnus.
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Re: Prime Ultra Magnus already seen?

Postby Unicron fan » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:28 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Unicron fan wrote:And idea just sprung to mind; What if that image Orion (Optimus' name of that time in that episode) sees on there is in fact a premonition of Optimus Prime Beast Hunter mold? :)

Let's see....

Yeah, there are some similarites here. Who knows. It could be Ultra Magnus anyway.
Well, now that TFWiki has it confirmed, it's Magnus.


Ok, then we got that confirmed. :)
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Re: Prime Ultra Magnus already seen?

Postby Wing Saber » Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:00 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Well, now that TFWiki has it confirmed, it's Magnus.

It was on tfwiki before I made this thread
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Re: Prime Ultra Magnus already seen?

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:48 pm

Wing Saber wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Well, now that TFWiki has it confirmed, it's Magnus.

It was on tfwiki before I made this thread
Been ages since I looked at that Ultra Magnus TFWiki page. :oops:
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