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Exodus: the Official History of the War for Cybertron

Postby lioconvoy » Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:05 pm

i am curious what you guys think of the novel Preview: Exodus: the Official History of the War for Cybertron?

what did you guys think of the intigration from different universes, the presentation of the caricters, the stile of riting, the plot itsself and other such related exidus related ideas and realisations?
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Re: exidus the history of the wfc

Postby PORTER » Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:20 pm

When I get a hold of the hardcover version of exodus ill post you my thoughts man
Or I will pm you :)
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Re: exidus the history of the wfc

Postby lioconvoy » Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:49 am

i thaught the book was the best tf novelisation i've ever seen.
it seemed to tie in the entirety of the moltyverse excluding the more obscure such as pcc and alternity.
the caricters were not just 2dimentional but inivative and creations all of there own, reminding of both beast wars and animated.
the plot was amazingly designed, we lurned some interesting things about the plantet and its history and we got some grate new backstories to prime, megs, jaz, omega, and tripticon.

i have to say that without a dout, it's given me a new perspective and even allows fannan to expand to intigrate so menny continuities in to one with the smallest of tweeks.

one almost feels the shock when megatron turns on orion as his intentions seem to be purely petriotic to begin with and likewise when orion gets the backlash of megatron's wrath.
it even gives us an english name for anglmois energy and a backstory in dark energon.

the continuity blends aspects such as the plasma energy chamber, key to vectersigma, matrix, etc from gen1 and bw along with the cyberplanets and minicons from armarda energon etc and again aspects such as shooting the all spark from cybertron and bumblebee loosing his voice from movie continuity with small animated nods, such as magnus hammer and optimus being carismatic but still not ready for the mantle of leadership.

porter you can find on amazon for £5 or $7
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Re: exidus the history of the wfc

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:54 am

I must say that, no matter how they were portrayed, I felt it very difficult to sympathize with the Decepticons, period. Mainly, due to going into the book knowing the heartless monsters that they would become later on. Not once did I feel any real sincerity in any of Megatron's dialogue. From the moment I heard him speak, I could tell from his first lines in the book that he was plotting something devious. Now while he definitely was not "evil" at that point in the story, one does not have to be evil to have "evil thoughts". What also did not help me gain any sympathy for the Cons was when, during the time before the war had fully begun, some of those who were loyal to the Decepticon cause were commiting acts of terrorism and vandalism to get their message across. Even though Megatron claimed to be unaffiliated with these attacks, he still did little to nothing to stop them. It seemed to me that he found these acts of violence and disorder to be pleasing to him, showing no concern with losses of lives that result from these events. His reasons for wanting a caste-free society seemed to hint at him glorifying his own image and so be worshipped by Cybertronians as some sort of savior or idol, which would undoubtly make his ascension to being a tyrannical despot flow all the more swimmingly. I could not pity the Decepticons as much as I felt I could, what with knowing the kind of future paths they would take. Knowing this, the foreshadowing of the vile nature they would take on was very apparent to me.

lioconvoy wrote:it seemed to tie in the entirety of the moltyverse excluding the more obscure such as pcc and alternity.
Let me stop you right here. I am going to make this as clear as I can. This book, and its video game counterpart, are not, I repeat, NOT examples of Continuity Blending. They are both examples of "Adaptation Distillation". They do not take entire realities and merge them all into one single world. Instead, they have each hand-picked certain key aspects, elements, references, story arcs, and other small bits from many other TF media, that have worked best for those, and have inserted them into these two new forms of fiction, discarding everything else from the sources that these pieces of TF history came from.

Though, I need to ask, what references to Alternity and PCC did you see? And where?

lioconvoy wrote:it even gives us an english name for anglmois energy and a backstory in dark energon.
Angolmois =/= Dark Energon. The properties are simialr, but the appearances are different. Dark Energon is mostly black and shadowy, whereas Angolmois is puke green/yellow. Not to mention that Dark Energon is Energon that has been tainted by Unicron, whereas Angolmois is Unicron's very lifeforce itself.

lioconvoy wrote:the continuity blends aspects such as...
Not without distilling them from other sources first.
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Re: exidus the history of the wfc

Postby lioconvoy » Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:47 pm

i said excluding alternity and the pcc.
the continuity did take pieces of different media and adapt them, however to say that it didn't blend would be incorect.
i am in no meens saying that megatron could be forgiven for his actions, however you can empathise with them from the perspective in wich it was ritten for the furst few chapters. this is ofcourse up untill the point megatron openly clames that the quote unquote renigate faction decepticons were helping the cause.

i am awair of the difference between dark energon and alglmois, however the phisical effects are quite close, perhaps i was incorect to state that the substances were the same, however they both seem to serve the same perpus. both being the life energy of unicron.

but this debating is good, it's exactly why i put this topic up, to get everyones oppinions.
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Re: exidus the history of the wfc

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:55 am

lioconvoy wrote:i said excluding alternity and the pcc.
Whoops, I misread that. Sorry.

But, that's kind of a let-down for me, as I think it would have been cool for Alternity to get referenced in this book. :(

lioconvoy wrote:the continuity did take pieces of different media and adapt them, however to say that it didn't blend would be incorect.
I'm saying that only those pieces were blended, yes. But their source continuities were not (the way your first sentence about continuity blending was worded made me think you meant such :oops: ).

lioconvoy wrote:i am in no meens saying that megatron could be forgiven for his actions, however you can empathise with them from the perspective in wich it was ritten for the furst few chapters. this is ofcourse up untill the point megatron openly clames that the quote unquote renigate faction decepticons were helping the cause.
It's just that, even in the very beginning, I could just hear the terror of the monster that he would become growing inside of him even before he began down the dark path he would later take. It felt like a strong sesne of foreshadowing to me from the start.

Perhaps if I were a newcomer to the franchise and this were my first exposure to it all, I'd feel more sympathetic for the Cons, not knowing who they were and who they who eventually become before reading.

lioconvoy wrote:i am awair of the difference between dark energon and alglmois, however the phisical effects are quite close, perhaps i was incorect to state that the substances were the same, however they both seem to serve the same perpus. both being the life energy of unicron.
Similar, but different, would be correct.

lioconvoy wrote:but this debating is good, it's exactly why i put this topic up, to get everyones oppinions.
Oh, yes. I like such intelligent discussions. 8-)
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Re: exidus the history of the wfc

Postby PORTER » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:27 am

I'm getting exodus soon.
I'm getting it from hawaii
And I live in ohio.

Yea....it might take a while

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Re: exidus the history of the wfc

Postby lioconvoy » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:44 pm

i can see where you are comming from with the evident nature of megatron's shall we say tyrany lol but it is interesting to see how he got to where he is in this universal streem.
i liked the way that soundwave was protreyed however shockwave just seemed 2 dimentional to me. just another megatron lacky if you get my drift.


if alternity were referenced that would be grate but i cant see how that would have been done unless there was an offhand conversation or discription of alternium or some form of conversation of higher being.


how did you guys find omega supreme?
i liked this encarnation, however i was displeased at the ease he was taken down.
yeah it's understandable that dark energon make the cons stupidly strong and the substance moves from hoast to hoast but still, megatron hitting him and he is near enough offlined is just silly.

the tripticon station being both tripticon and the nemesis i liked however. it would have been nice if the ark was also metroplex though.
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Re: exidus the history of the wfc

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:14 pm

Well, I just got through reading the book a second time, and I've more to add.

The initial chapters introducing Orion Pax, Alpha Trion and Megatron(us) were pretty good. A lot went on in those chapters (1-6) and kept me interested in what was going to happen next.

However, by the time Orion and Megatron meet and begin to work together, things began to get kinda boring fast. Nothing interesting really happened from the time that Orion and Megs first discuss their methods to the point where their meeting with the High Council commences (7-11). There was just so much dull conversation going on in these chapters. Too much "saying" and not enough "doing".

The only chapter in this section that seemed kinda cool was 9 (when Altihex Casino is attacked and Sentinel Prime goes missing), but even that seemed kinda weird with it being told from the perspective of Armorhide, who wouldn't appear again anywhere in else in the book after the first half of chapter 9.

Chapters 12-15 picked back up with the High Council meeting (which I read alongside the WFC comic issue that adapts these chapters). The meeting kinda ran a little long, but a lot of what was said here was kinda cool.

Then, the excerpt from the Covenant of Primus was easier for me to read this time around, because I split up each battle by location. First Fort Scyk, then the Hydrax Plateau, then Crystal City, then Kalis, Vos, Tarn, Praxus, Nova Cronum, Iacon, the Tagan Heights, and then Tyger Pax.

After this, I paused from reading the book and reread the apocryphal Bumblebee at Tygar Pax story. though, I think it may have been a better idea to read it within the pages of the Covenant passage instead of after it, as there's a place within the Covenant's pages that it fits somewhat nicely into. However, while reading this, I noticed that several lines in the Covenant were repeated in BBaTP (mostly the conversation between Optimus and Alpha Trion and when Optimus walks out to find all of his Hall of Records peers waiting to greet and salute him).

The rest of the book mostly involved the events that parallel (or, at least, are supposed to parallel) those of the War for Cybertron console game.

Chapters 16-19 were very bland chapters. Megatron's actions towards acquiring Dark Energon couldn't have been any more SLOWER than they were. I mean, in went like this:
  • Chapter 16 - Megatron learns of Dark Energon's existence.
  • Chapter 17 - Megatron wants to see the Dark Energon.
  • Chapter 18 - Megatron takes control of Trypticon Station behind the scenes, but has still not yet gotten the Dark Energon.
  • Chapter 19 - Megatron has the Dark Energon tested and then finally gets some for himself.
Good grief! Dude, once you first hear about it, cut to chase and just take it! Test it out if you want, but don't wait around to be brought to see it first and then do nothing with it once it's yours for the taking.

And what are the Autobots doing in these chapters? Talking. That's it. A Q&A with Alpha Trion about Dark Energon and a desciption of how scared A3 was of the stuff. :roll:

Chapters 20-21 were a little hard to get into, as their event coincide with none of the WFC game's events. At least, not until the end of 21, where Megs learns of the Geosychronous Energon Bridge.

It was chapter 22 that felt the most like its game counterpart. Almost everything that occurred in this chapter matched up with the second level of the game. Though, there were some descriptive differences, like no fight with Cybertron's Sentinel, the Energon Bridge being stored in a bottomless abyss beneath Crystal City, and the journey to the Bridge was mostly uneventful. And most of all, Starscream led a whole team of Seekers instead of just Skywarp and Thundercracker.

23 also seemed iffy, as it too paralleled nothing in the game. Though, it did do a good job at leading up to chapters 24-27, which involved Megs going after the Code Keys, fighting Sentinel Prime, and Omega Supreme stopping him from stealing the Plasma Energy Chamber. Though, I wish that the book had given a better description of what Teletraan-1 (instead of "Teletraan I") looked like. At times, it seemed like it was its own building structure, while other times made it seem like the base of a larger building complex. Plus, neither description seemed to jive with its iconic supercomputer look.

28-29 had Omega Supreme beaten too easily by the Seekers, and he was severely underpowered in the battle that ensued. 30 was the aftermath of this battle and seemed to ignore the events of the first level of the game's Autobot campaign altogether (since neither Iacon nor Omega Supreme were captured in the book).

31 and 32 dealt with rescuing Sentinel Prime and... it was very uneventful. I mean, 31 has the Autobots bicker over whether or not they should go save the former leader, and 32 had them do so with little-to no resistance. The game had an elaborate plan set out to save him and even included an exciting boss battle with Soundwave. Here: nothing. What a crock. :-(

33 and 34 were a little more exciting as the Autobots went down to purge the Core of Dark Energon. The effects of Dark Energon are really emphasized here as being so mind-warping and trippy, distorting the Autobots' percepticons of reality and whatnot. If only it had included the space slugs that were in the game. I mean, these things were giant slugs with turrets mounted on their backs! How awesome is that?

Chapter 35 felt a lot like some of the earlier chapters where the Autobots discuss their options. It was this chapter that lead me to realize a key aspect of these Autobots: they talk too much. They sit around in the Hall of Records bickering so much that it gets boring fast. It's really only when Jazz jives in to make a joke or a sarcastic remark that the conversations become even somewhat amusing. But, for the most part, all these debates really should have been toned down a bit in favor of giving these Autobots more active roles.

With chapter 36 came some confusion for me. Why were the Autobots trying to launch a fleet of small transport ships to the Space Bridge? They know the Ark is being built, so why not wait for it to be finished (like they ultimately wind up doing)? It would certainly spare the lives of those Autobots who died when their ships were destroyed by the blasts fired from Trypticon Station. They're all launching and I'm going, "What about the Ark?" :?

37 had the Autobots bring down Tryption and, boy, is Trypticon's interior spooky! This book did a good job at giving it a frightening appearance with freakish mechs spawning from the very structure of the station and Minicon (instead of "Mini-Con") swarms going all Jason Voorhies on the Autobots. :shock: :twisted:

38 had Trypticon fall and impact Cybertron, and then emerge as the Ark was about to launch. What was really cool is that Jetifre, the Wreckers, and Omega Supreme were all going to go face Trypticon to let the Ark get away... BUT, we don't even get see this fight! What a ripoff! Then again, it might not have been much of a fight since Trypticon rose up into the sky, turning into the Nemesis and pursuing the Ark.

39 concluded with Megatron giving Optimus a Hannibal Lecture, Optimus giving him a "Shut up, Hannibal!" response, the two ships passing through the Space Bridge, becoming separated, and then the Autobots going after the AllSpark thjat they have detected. This would have been a very cool ending if not for the closing line: "We will wage our battle to destroy the evil forces of the Decepticons wherever it may take us. And one day, we will come home."

:-( :-( :-( :x :x :x :evil: :evil: :evil: That first sentence. Was. So. FORCED! I'm sorry, but there is no way that could have been spoken in any manner to make it sound even remotely natural! It was a completely forced line that served no other purpose than fanservice! And it doesn't even work since it's making a callback to the G1 cartoon when this book doesn't even fit with the G1 cartoon. Fail! That. Line. Was. FAIL! There is nothing wrong with originality and creativity. Shoving in that line was neither of these. :cry:


And, as I read it, there were several instances that felt like the book had reached its conclusion.
  • Orion Pax becomes Optimus Prime and Megatron breaks off their friendship. Oh wait, that's just the starting point of the war.
  • The AllSpark is launched, shutting off the Well. Oh wait, that's just a set back in the war before it reaches its climax.
  • Omega Supreme is defeated. The Autobots have lost their greatest weapon. Oh wait, Megs spares Iacon and leaves Omega to be fixed up.
  • Optimus cures the Core and receives the Matrix. Oh wait, now they gotta go leave the planet.
  • The Autobots begin to leave Cybertron. Oh wait, the Ark isn't done, so let's have Trypticon shoot them down.
  • Trypticon is brought down and crashes to the planet below. Oh, wait, he's okay. He got better.
  • The Ark blasts off for the Space Bridge. Oh wait, It's pursued by the Nemesis.
  • The Ark and the Nemesis become separated and the AllSpark is detected. Oh wait, it's... No! This is finally the ending!

But, despite it's flaws, it was a decent read (if kinda slow at times). All in all, I give it a solid 7.5/10 stars.
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Re: exidus the history of the wfc

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:42 pm

Addendum--

Though, thinking about it more, the relationship between Optimus Prime and Megatron in this story really seemed similar to the relationship between Moses and Rameses in the Dreamworks film The Prince of Egypt. And, astonishingly, there are characteristics of both character in Optimus and Megatron.

Like Moses and Rameses, Optimus and Megatron were once close friends, almost like brothers. At least one of them (Megatron/Rameses) seemed destined for greatness to come in the near future, and the other (Optimus/Moses) was in full support of his excellence. However, circumstances tear their friendship apart and they become each other's greatest rival and enemy.

Optimus evokes Moses when he is selected by the High Council to become the next Prime and seek out the Matrix of Leadership. As Prime, Optimus was carry out the will of Primus and lead Cybertron to a new age of freedom, like how Moses was chosen by God to lead the Hebrews free from their bondage in Egypt. Both Optimus and Moses eventually overcome the oppression brought on by their former brothers and free their people from each's tyranny.

However, he is also like Rameses in a way. When Rameses became Pharaoh, was obligated to uphold his father's vision of a great dynasty, yet, he still wished for Moses to be his friend once again and disliked having to stand against the one he once called "Brother". Optimus is the same way with Megatron, wishing for Megatron to end his hatred of Optimus and return to his original sincerity of wanting free will for every Cybertronian. Sadly, this simply could not be.

Megatron resembles Rameses in that they each trusted their former friend to a point where each had felt betrayed by him (Optimus was made Prime instead of Megatron, and Moses demanded that Rameses free the Hebrews from slavery). In both cases, Megatron and Rameses believe that Optimus and Moses were intentionally trying to condemn them, hardening their hearts to the point where Megatron and Rameses looked like the bad guys (which they eventually wound up being) instead of Optimus and Moses.

Yet, Megatron is also like Moses in that he thinks of himself as a revolutionary freeing an oppressed people (the lower castes) from the dominance of the caste system. The main difference here being that, while the caste system is indeed brought down, Megatron becomes more like a despot rather than a savior like Moses was. Moses's actions were righteous, whereas Megatron's were selfish. But, ethics aside, Megatron did succeed in granting the voices of the lower classes to be heard, just as Moses declared how his people had suffered under the rule of the Egyptians.

The movie itself includes one particular song called "The Plagues" which pretty wonderfully illustrates the conflicting relationship between Moses and Rameses, and the same can be said for Optimus and Megatron. Just imagine Optimus singing Moses' lines (in blue) and Megatron singing those sung by Rameses (in gold). I guess, if you wanted to, you could imagine a very angry (at Megatron) Primus singing God's lines (in white)
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